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Latitudes and the North Star
For centuries mariners navigating the oceans in the northern hemisphere have used the North Star (Polaris) to determine their latitude. For any point between the Equator and the North Pole, latitude is obtained simply by measuring the altitude of Polaris. For example, at latitude N 30°, Polaris can be seen 30° above the horizon. From latitude N 53°, Polaris is 53° above the horizon. If you see Polaris at an angle of 5° above the horizon, you are at latitude N 5°, and so on.
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The relationship between latitudinal position and the apparent altitude of Polaris is due not only to the star's distance and location over the north pole, but also to the earth's spherical shape.
Astronomers have determined that Polaris is 433.8 light years from earth. This extreme distance has two important effects:
- It is the reason why the star seems to be stationary, directly above the north pole all year around despite the earth's annual orbit around the sun.
- Light rays from Polaris are virtually parallel when the reach the earth. This means that all light from Polaris meets the earth at the same angle, 90° with respect to the earth's equatorial plane.
Flat-earthers will often protest that it's impossible for Polaris to appear always above the North Pole considering that the earth is traveling around the sun along an orbital path 940 million kilometers in circumference. This argument is actually irrelevant with respect to the shape of the earth and is merely a (bad) argument for a stationary earth. As you will see illustrated below, even if the earth is stationary, its shape can only be spherical.
Nonetheless, flat earthers simply lack understanding of the geometry of the heliocentric model. The distance the earth travels during its annual orbit is minuscule compared to the distance of Polaris.
Consider this:
- The diameter of earth's orbit is about 300 million km (186 million miles).
- The distance to Polaris is around 3.6 quadrillion km (2.4 quadrillion miles).
- That's a distance ratio of 1 : 12,000,000
To put that into perspective, imagine you are staring straight ahead at a distant mountain located 100 kilometers away. Now take a step eight millimeters to the left. Obviously you are still staring straight at the mountain. If you are the earth and the mountain is Polaris, that 8 mm distance is the equivalent of the change in earth's relative position after six months of orbit.
How Looking Up ↑ Reveals Earth's Curvature
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| (click to see full size) The angles at which we observe Polaris from any location in the northern hemisphere match perfectly with the geometry of a spherical earth. |
Polaris Can't Help Mariners Find Their Latitude on a Flat Earth
All of the methods and formulas used in celestial navigation employ the geometry of a spherical earth. The fact that they work is no mere coincidence. In fact, if the earth was flat, the methods would not work at all. The geometry of a flat earth is very different and would require different methods.
For example, the congruous relationship between the altitude of Polaris and latitude of the earth is impossible on a flat earth. To a traveler on a flat earth who is moving away from Polaris directly south, the apparent altitude of the star will decline, but not at a constant rate as would be seen on a globe. In fact, the farther away the observer gets, the slower Polaris will appear to descend. It's a matter of simple geometry. As the degree of altitude decreases, concurrent distances increase exponentially. This means that the altitude of Polaris will almost never agree with an observer's latitude. To see Polaris at an altitude of 0° on the horizon (as is observed at the equator) would actually be impossible because an observer would have to be an infinite distance away. Basic trigonometry reveals why. If you can solve a right triangle (or use an on-line right triangle calculator), you can verify this for yourself.
In the below illustration, which is drawn to scale, you can see that Polaris -- if positioned at a height of 3,100 miles above a flat earth (as an example) -- will have the correct matching altitude angle from latitude N 45°, but not from anywhere else except the North Pole.
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| Illustration showing altitude angles of Polaris on a flat earth. Distances are to scale. (click to view full size). |
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| Where is Polaris on a flat earth? This illustration shows why the altitude of Polaris cannot match an observer's latitude on a flat earth. |
There is no way to reconcile this inconsistency of the flat earth model with observable reality. The apparent position of Polaris in the sky, as observed from any location in the northern hemisphere, indicates beyond question the curved shape of the earth. This is empirical evidence that anyone can validate for themselves by simply measuring the altitude of Polaris with a homemade clinometer and comparing the result to their latitude. If they match, you're on a curve. There is no theoretical distance above a flat earth where Polaris could be positioned that can mimic this relationship. It's impossible. A flat plane can't mimic a curve.
Watch this excellent video for more info:
False Claims About Polaris
Some flat-earthers claim that Polaris can be seen from latitudes well
south of the equator, as far as the Tropic of Capricorn at 23.4° S latitude. This is
absolutely false, of course, which is why they can't substantiate such claims with verifiable evidence, or any credible sources, i.e., sources other than archaic, pseudoscientific, flat earth texts.
In truth, Polaris is typically not visible from locations near the
equator. It's not bright enough. Like most stars near the horizon, its light dissipates due to increased atmospheric interference (a.k.a. atmospheric extinction) and because of light pollution, that artificial skyglow that hangs over
populated areas. However, under the right circumstances, from remote locations, Polaris can be observed south of the equator. This is due to atmospheric refraction which
will cause objects in the sky to appear slightly higher than their actual
positions.
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When light passes from one medium to another it is bent, or refracted, and the same is true when light from a star passes from the vacuum of space into the Earth's atmosphere. The result is to make the object appear at a higher altitude than is really the case, and the nearer it is to the horizon, the more pronounced the effect, even causing objects below the horizon to appear visible. The degree by which the light is refracted is also dependent on atmospheric pressure and temperature. All astronomical observations have to be corrected for atmospheric refraction to obtain true, as opposed to apparent, positions.
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Atmospheric refraction is nil for celestial objects directly overhead and
increases progressively for objects at lower and lower altitudes. The
displacement effect of refraction is well known to astronomers and
navigators. Navigators use mathematical formulas to correct for it. The
refractive index of air is relatively small, so in general the effect is
minor except when objects are close to the horizon.
For example, a star at
an altitude of 45° will appear displaced by only about 1 arc minute or 0.016 degrees. A star significantly lower at an altitude of 15° will appear about 3.6 arc minutes higher than its actual
position, still only 0.06 degrees off. For objects located very near the
horizon, refraction increases significantly and can vary quite a bit depending
on the temperature, pressure, and humidity of the surrounding air. Typically, for
a celestial object right on the horizon (at an altitude of 0°), refraction will
be around 35 arc minutes or about 0.6 degrees. This means that, from low elevations, Polaris could be visible south of the equator, but it's not likely to be seen beyond 1° S latitude.
Viewing from higher elevations such as from the top of a mountain would also increase the visibility of Polaris from southern latitudes, but again, not by much. An elevation of 10,000 feet for example would allow only about 0.5 degrees of increased visibility "around" the Earth.
The above numbers were taken from Astrophysical Quantities by C.W. Allen. For more information on atmospheric refraction and to further verify those figures, refer to the following sources:
Links:
- How to find your latitude from Polaris- How to Find Polaris
- How to Make a Cheap Clinometer
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The Sun Also Reveals the Shape of The Earth
It's not just Polaris that doesn't jibe with the flat earth "model". None of the celestial objects above a flat earth would appear where they do in reality, including the sun.
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| (click to see full size) Because the earth is a sphere, on the equinox, at solar noon, an observer's latitude is always equal to the sun's altitude subtracted from 90°. latitude = (90° - altitude) |
Like Polaris, the sun is far enough away that its rays are virtually parallel when they reach the earth. During equinox, the sun is positioned directly over the equator, therefore the sun's angle of altitude will be 90° at the equator and 0° at the poles. With regard to latitudinal position, this means that an observer's latitude will always be equal to the sun's angle as measured from 90 degrees overhead (the angle that is complimentary to the sun's altitude). This is called the Zenith angle.
Finding the sun's zenith angle is how celestial navigators use the sun to determine their position of latitude. During equinox, at solar noon, the sun's zenith angle will always be equal to the latitude from which it is being measured. To find the sun's zenith angle simply subtract its altitude from 90°. For example, if you are in New Orleans which is at a latitude of N 30°, at solar noon, on March 20, you will see the sun at (90° - 30° =) 60° above the horizon. If you are in Edinburgh, Scotland located at N 56° you will see the sun at (90° - 56° =) 34° at solar noon. From Minneapolis, MN you will see the sun at 45° because it lies at N 45° latitude. On a flat earth this would be impossible. As with Polaris, on a flat plane, the sun's altitude is not directly related to latitude, so that simple formula--which mariners have used for centuries to determine latitude while navigating the oceans--cannot work on a flat earth.
This geometric failure of the flat earth model is not a trivial one and is damning for reasons beyond geography and navigation. For example, the sun would never actually set on a flat earth, or even appear close to setting. The earth is way too small. Here's why:
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On a flat earth, where the sun supposedly sets due to perspective, as the sun’s angle of elevation decreases, concurrent distances increase exponentially. To see the sun 10° above the horizon, an observer would have to be over 17,000 miles away. To see it 5° above the horizon he would have to be over 34,000 miles away. To see the sun 1° above the horizon, he would be 172,000 miles away. This is why the sun would never appear to set on a flat earth.
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It doesn't have to be the equinox to determine your latitude using the sun. It can be done anytime of year once the sun's declination has been factored in. Watch the video below to learn how to find latitude using the sun. This is also a way to prove to yourself that the earth is round.
Want to prove to yourself that the earth is round? It can be done using nothing more than a stick and a ruler.
Find out how to do it here:
How To Disprove The Flat Earth
Find out how to do it here:
How To Disprove The Flat Earth
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Cool post man, looking forward to more.
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Delete25 Flat Earth claims that 'Rocked' my world view 5- 5
Earth is covered with a glass dome(firmament) so when you look up your seeing reflections, Polaris is not a planet. It's the reflection of the black hole sun. That's why the path is a spiral just like the flat earth sun.
DeleteUnknown poster on December 29, 2016... You are controlled opposition. That's a strawman argument and you know it. No one says that polaris is the reflection of the sun.
DeletePlease let me know if my reasoning is wrong. In northern hemisphere stars rotate CCW; CW in southern. Facing north in New York stars rise from my right side: CCW. Facing south, stars rise from my left side: CW. If facing north in both hems, whether on a ball or a plane, stars rise from the same direction. The reason it's said that stars rotate differently in both hemispheres is simply the direction the observer is facing.
DeleteThat is exactly right, John.
DeleteSo if the earth is traveling 1000 mph in a cycle and orbiting the sun at 66.600 mph and the sun is moving 450.000 thru space then y are all the constellations the same . almost 7000 years of recorded time and they have not moved 1 bit .
DeleteNot just that y do we see mercury and Venus there closer to the sun then us but we see them at night . We should only see then at day time o we cant see star at day time hmmm ? Wake up people don't believe every thing u are told . If there where a flat earth and we could touch the dome then we would ask someone put this here there must be a GOD . but we live where the satin is the master of this world and a master description . he don't want us to believe in GOD.
DeleteThey have the greeks described ursa major as different to how we see it no. But you wouldnt know that because you dont read.
DeleteWe aren't living on a planet dude, it's a flat plane. You can draw all the little science diagrams and refer to refraction as much as you like but if you actually use scientific method and do these experiments you'll find the truth. The more people that learn the truth for themselves the better this world would be. Neil De Grasse Tyson is only where he is because he swallows the crap theories written before him and applies his bull crap to them. It's just an echo chamber of lies that the majority of people believe because they aren't smart enough to think for themselves. Take this blog for example it's called 'debunking flat earth', you have set out with an agenda to debunk something rather than go and look for the truth whatever that may be due to the actual recordable findings!
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DeleteYou're just one more commenter who can't address or refute the information presented in this article. It's based on observable, empirical, facts. I understand that you don't like it, but you need to demonstrate why it's wrong.
John T. Banewicz. Thank you, this Saul dude is running all the math, but leaving out the one key component which is the direction of the observer.
Deleteshields himself by spouting a whole lot of angles and distances, positioning, but intentionally leaves out directional observation very carefully as to not prove Flat Earths existence.
I'd love to hear this guys explanation for the speed of light in relation to our speed hurling through space.
(or how he explains how nothing ever hits Earth even know we've been flying vast lengths at furious speeds for billions of years)
Ah yes, the lights in the sky. The Aurora Borealis is a great example of the magnum force field dead center of Earth. Positive and negative poles shifting in and out, reversing the field as the sun goes from on tropic to the other, back and forth year after year. Once, the sun is in the tropic of Cancer, it will remain there approximately 30 days and on the return to the tropic of Capricorn, where it will remain 30 days as well. This is how we get a 24 hour period of sun light in the artic north, as the sun is closet to the north pole, Polaris. Thus, a small trajectory around the North pole. Never do we get a 24 hour sun light period in Antarctica. The magnetic force field begins in the Artic north and ends at the ice barrier of Antarctica that surrounds flat Earth. Call it concave, convex, flat, it has an electromagnetic force field provoked at the dead center of the Earth Polaris. I see the stars and can tell you they turn with focus on the Northern star. Star trails is what I want you to explain to me. Star trails the stars revolve around us. Specifically, time lapse photos of the stars at night, these are stars of a magnetic grid. See the stars as within a magnetism grid in conjunction with Polaris. But according to you scientism and what you are saying is we are in motion, held together by a magical force called gravity, lost out in space on a spinning ball that is basically on the edge of out of control.
DeleteDON'T YOU FLERFS have anything better to do then TROLL good education sites. I suggest you should go back and finish elementary school, jr and high school. Then you will be 30 or 40 still living in your moms basement. But you could try college but as old as you would be and we still don't know if you can read or count to 10 yet. You should go beg for a job at McDonalds cleaning the restrooms. Leave Science to the Adults!
DeleteSaul Trane, I enjoy your video, great information. It's too bad there are so many Trolls and Haters out there. They are so triggered by this information. We can't really blame them for not getting a good education. We can just pray they don't drive or reproduce.
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ReplyDeletethe earth doesn't only travel 300 million kilometers a year. the sun travels as well draging the earth along with it.
ReplyDeletewhat about this argument? Viewed from a ball-Earth, Polaris, situated directly over the North Pole, should not be visible anywhere in the Southern hemisphere. For Polaris to be seen from the Southern hemisphere of a globular Earth, the observer would have to be somehow looking “through the globe,” and miles of land and sea would have to be transparent. Polaris can be seen, however, up to over 20 degrees South latitude.
Where did you get that information? I'm sure you didn't get it by your own observation because it's simply false. Polaris can often be seen slightly south of the equator due to atmospheric refraction, but, as Neil DeGrasse Tyson recently tweeted, "Polaris is gone by 1.5 deg S. Latitude."
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Deleteso...how would one actually see Polaris if the earth was somehow a fast spinning 1600km/h spheroid speeding around the sun at 66,600km/h, and the earth is now half way around the sun (6 months time), and it is now night time??
DeleteYou can't see Polaris because of atmosphere, light pollution and its weak light.
DeleteThis what he said.
Then, he must pick up the refraction to justify it.
You can't see Polaris because of atmosphere, light pollution and its weak light.
DeleteThis what he said.
Then, he must pick up the refraction to justify it.
You can go outside whatever city you're in, out into a rural area, then you can look up and see the night sky with little or no light pollution. Including Polaris.
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DeleteThe visible stars are mostly in the same arm of the galaxy as We are, and moving in the same direction as We are. The difference in speed and scale are the factors We need to look at. The difference in speed is much smaller than Our specific speed, and the vast scale makes any changes take lifetimes - many MANY - to observe.
DeleteExactly.. So HOW exactly has the calculations been made if it takes many MANY lifetimes to observe just a teeny tiny fraction of a broad scale??? Even IF there are historical records that are reliable and provable that prove a tiny move, it doesn't even come CLOSE to calculating a ridiculous speed that we have never tested or observed.. PLUS..It STILL doesn't prove a ball earth IF the stars were adjusting in the sky either..
DeleteEven though Polaris is the North Star today, this has not always been the case. The place in the sky that the Earth's north pole points at changes slowly over time. This movement is called stellar precession. In 3000 BC, a faint star called Thuban in the constellation of Draco was the North Star. Polaris did not become the North Star until about AD 500. It will get closer to straight above the Earth's north pole until sometime in 2102. Then it will move away again. It will be the closest star to the pole until about AD 3000.
DeleteSource: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_(star)
As God said to Job... "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."
DeleteNeither was Wikipedia there 3,000 years ago. They are 'suggesting what they think was the North Star', but they do not know. Plus they prove themselves time and again to be untrustworthy and agenda driven. The only way to clear up this question is to compare the allegations with reality. An example of that is the Earth's atmosphere. The behavior of water and air teach us that were this world actually spinning, both the water and the atmosphere would have been tossed off like from clothes in a spinning washing machine - eons ago. Water doesn't bend and the song is right, you can't pin a cloud to the sand.
how about someone just go to Cape Horn and look? ... freaking Tyson tweets... seriously, don't be a religious zealot. I've yet to read where you account for the exponential/parabolic diminishing of visibility due to perspectival vanishing. It's something I as an architect deal with on regular occasion, since buildings are never experienced in 'elevation' (like your diagrams show), but rather perspective. Lastly, your 'just look at the geometry' argument is a bit empty considering an inversion of the relative azimuthal/latitudinal viewing angles with a lower, closer sun on a relatively flat surface. open up your brain a little to consider these and calculate them to show falsity or hypothetical necessity to test it's ramifications for coherency with measurable experience.
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"Saul TraneMarch 3, 2016 at 10:23 PM
Where did you get that information?"
I believe I can answer that... ahem... EVERYWHERE?!
NASA, SCHOOL, PUBLIC LIBRARY, ANY DOCUMENTARY ABOUT SPACE EVER MADE?! SHALL I CONTINUE?! L O L
I LOVE THIS THREAD.
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteThis video has really TRIGGERED the FLATARDS! They are spiraling lout of control. Fast Spinning Earth...''It would throw us off". Many 15 degrees per hour or 1 whole SPIN over 24 hours is FAST for You and a tiny INSECT. Are you an insect? YES ! Same for the speed of our orbit around that big bad SUN! that is just 1 time every 365 days! WEEEE LOOK MOMMY NO HANDS.! You guys crack me up.! I do want to thank you for the material to use in my standup act. FYI don't spin around in our daddy's office chair you might fall off and get an ouchie!
Deletethe sun travels 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph. so the earth travels across the milky way 4 380 000 000 miles per year. over 2000 years that is 4,380,000,000,000. shouldn't this effect us viewing the stars? just a honest question i want to figure this out.
ReplyDeletei am also excited to how you answer the star argument thess are a couple of them. i haven't seen it adressed anywhere.
9) Viewed from a ball-Earth, Polaris, situated directly over the North Pole, should not be visible anywhere in the Southern hemisphere. For Polaris to be seen from the Southern hemisphere of a globular Earth, the observer would have to be somehow looking “through the globe,” and miles of land and sea would have to be transparent. Polaris can be seen, however, up to over 20 degrees South latitude.
100) If Earth were a ball, the Southern Cross and other Southern constellations would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude as is the case in the North with Polaris and its surrounding constellations. Ursa Major/Minor and many others can be seen from every Northern meridian simultaneously whereas in the South, constellations like the Southern Cross cannot. This proves the Southern hemisphere is not “turned under” as in the ball-Earth model, but simply stretching further outwards away from the Northern center-point as in the flat Earth model.
103) There are several constellations which can be seen from far greater distances over the face of the Earth than should be possible if the world were a rotating, revolving, wobbling ball. For instance, Ursa Major, very close to Polaris, can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude (the North Pole) all the way down to 30 degrees South latitude. For this to be possible on a ball-Earth the Southern observers would have to be seeing through hundreds or thousands of miles of bulging Earth to the Northern sky.
104) The constellation Vulpecula can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude, all the way to 55 degrees South latitude. Taurus, Pisces and Leo can be seen from 90 degrees North all the way to 65 degrees South. An observer on a ball-Earth, regardless of any tilt or inclination, should not logically be able to see this far.
105) Aquarius and Libra can be seen from 65 degrees North to 90 degrees South! The constellation Virgo is visible from 80 degrees North down to 80 degrees South, and Orion can be seen from 85 degrees North all the way to 75 degrees South latitude! These are all only possible because the “hemispheres” are not spheres at all but concentric circles of latitude extending outwards from the central North Pole with the stars rotating over and around.
None of those spurious arguments, whether you buy them or not, changes the fact that the positions of the celestial objects as we observe them in the sky are impossible on a flat earth.
DeleteI totally agree with saladin89, if we're travelling at these speeds, we wouldn't even see th light travveling as we wouldn't be In its light path.. And if we are on a ball, and we see the northern star becuz it's the light still travveling, then we would see It in multiple positions at the same time in the sky, we don't, we see one.. why don't we shoot past new galaxy's, or collide into another one, why does water always find its level. Why do no sattelites have a live stream, why do none of them ever get wiped out by the thousands of metorites every day.. cm'on man, so many questions, we haven't even been through the van Halen belt, a nasa astronaut even said that
DeleteNo they aren't impossible "Saul" As you've been told time and time again. Being ignorant isn't going to cut it anymore. Those celestial patterns so to speak are a result of magnetism.
DeleteThermal imaging proves the world is flat, it can't be hidden, it's over.
Apparently, you didn't understand the above article. I'm not talking about "celestial patterns so to speak", I'm talking about the angles at which we observe the celestial bodies. They are geometrically impossible on a flat earth. If you can prove otherwise, please do.
DeleteThermal imaging does not prove the world flat. Please provide a thermal image of the sun from a location after the sun has set.
DeleteWhat frame of reference are you measuring these speeds in, specifically the speed of the galaxy?
DeleteOther galaxies are moving away from us, resulting in them appearing to be red-shifted.
But the nearest galaxy is 2.5 million light years away, so that speed isn't going to do much.
The sun is orbiting the galactic centre, But the orbit is also quite large and the other stars are orbitting it as well, so it changes angle at a very slow rate.
So yes, all of this will effect the stars, and mean their position is not constant, but at a very slow rate.
The north star has not always been Polaris and Polaris isn't directly above the north pole, it is slightly out.
In the year 3000 Gamma Cephei will become the north star due to these movements.
9 - It isn't. Polaris is not visible significantly south of the equator. The best reference for that was a navy captain referencing a pole star without specifying Polaris. He could have been referring to Sigma Octantis, the south pole star. No one has ever been able to show Polaris from a significantly south position.
100 - No. This depends on how close to the pole they are. If they are above the north pole, like Polaris or Ursa Minor, then they can be seen simultaneously.
If they are not, then it will be dependent on Earth facing that direction.
The same applies to the south.
The Southern Cross is not a south pole star, it merely points the way to the south. The southern cross is only 60 degrees south. That means when it is directly overhead some location, it will be visible on that meridian up to roughly 30 degrees north, and 180 degrees around Earth, it will only be visible below 30 degrees south.
This is quite simple to do. Treat the location as number, from +90 (north) to -90 (south). For the southern cross that means -60. Then add and subtract 90 to that to get the range (and truncate at + or - 90, or you can figure out what it would be on the other side). That means it ranges from -60+90=+30, to -60-90=-150 (so all the way to -90, and on the other side it would extend to -90 (SP) -(-150--90)=-30.
You can also do a range. The southern cross isn't just at -60. It ranges from -55 to -65. For the range, take the north extend and subtract 90 and the southern extent and add 90. This means it will range from (-65+90)=+25, to -55-90=-145, so due south. The only time that gets more complicated is when it goes over the pole, which I wont go into.
It won't appear to everyone in the southern hemisphere at the same time, just like the sun doesn't, even when it is over the tropics.
The other issue is the day light making it hard to see the stars.
103 - This is akin to the southern cross.
Ursa Major is a large constellation which extends from 30 to roughly 65 degrees north.
It is not as close to the North pole/Polaris as this argument pretends.
Its position means the constellation in its entirety would be visible at times up to 25 degrees south, and partially up to roughly 60 degrees south.
The rest is the same.
Vulpecula is located between 20 and 30 degrees north. As such you should be able to see it down to 50-60 degrees south.
Taurus, Pisces and Leo are located between 0 and 30 degrees north, so they would be visible down to between 60 and 90 degrees south.
Aquarius and Libra are the same but in the south.
Virgo is in the middle, ranging from 10 degrees south to 10 degrees north, meaning it should be visible in its entirety between 80 degrees south and 80 degrees north.
Orion ranges from 20 degrees north to 10 degrees south and thus would be visible from 70 degrees south to 80 degrees north.
All of these are consistent with a globe Earth. In every case it is visible for a hemisphere.
None of those are impossible on a round Earth.
But every one is inconsistent with a flat Earth.
If Earth was flat everyone should be able to see every star. Polaris should be visible from Antarctica, but instead it disappears at the equator.
So those points don't show Earth is flat. They show it can't be flat and that observations are consistent with a round Earth.
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
Deleteyou are just an idiot and i feel sorry you were denied an education.
DeleteHere are some websites that help you calculate distance.
ReplyDeletewww.timeanddate.com
www.tripit.com
www.distancefromto.net
www.worldatlas.com
www.freemaptools.com
www.travelmath.com
If your favorite isn't listed here, like Google maps, then use whatever is most familiar to you. Now we are going to look at two specific groups of cities. The first group is going be from the area around Australia, including New Zealand. We'll call it group one.
GROUP 1
Melbourne, Australia
Sydney Australia
Perth, Australia
Auckland, New Zealand
Christchurch, New Zealand
Hamilton, New Zealand
The second group is going to be some cities in South America, all in the Southern Hemisphere. I mention this because if you go high enough you will run into a few cities that won't work.
GROUP 2
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Brasilia, Brazil
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Lima, Peru
Santiago, Chile
Again, there is a link in the description with many other airports. Now these two groups are interchangeable as you would imagine, so you can start or end with either group one or two, the results will be the same, and just to make it interesting, I'll use a slightly different example which a fellow flat earther did the legwork, and show you that even these two groups aren't exclusive.
So you take anything from group 1 and anything from group 2 and you get some distances, ranging from 6 to 8 thousand miles, roughly. That's all I want you to do here is get that part in your head, noticing that the route is bent, because they have to account for the curvature of the earth. All these directions are what you expect, a straight shot over the South Pacific ocean.
Now just to prove it's not an exclusive route, Instead of starting in say Rio and landing in Auckland, I'll start from what should be the opposite side in Cape Town South Africa, which is roughly the same distance on a globe earth, coming in at 7300 miles. Notice on the map it's still a straight shot through the Indian ocean, and not crossing any countries. An easy route.
I try to book my flight. For this example we used travel math, but you can use whatever is easiest in your country, like price line, Expedia, Travelocity, it will make no difference because they're all tied into the same system. And this is when everything goes wrong.
So the first leg the airlines don't send me due East, but instead shoot me 4700 miles almost due North, to Dubai. Ok, maybe we're just picking up people. Seems a bit excessive but I'll go with it. I'm probably comfortable in my seat drinking vodka tonics.
And from Dubai it should be a straight shot home to Auckland right? Err, no. Now they send me South East to Melbourne, a mere 7300 miles. And then finally a third leg from Melbourne to Auckland coming in around 1600 miles. I'm rounding up or down to make the math easier. Regardless, the total miles for this flight is almost double what is expected, coming in at 13600 miles. In addition, the trip took me 37 hours! How long should it have taken? In a 777, about 12.
The connections kept coming in like spam windows. Start in Christchurch, go to Auckland. Start in Auckland, go to Sydney. Start in Sydney, go to Dubai, or Los Angles, or somewhere else that makes no sense. Some of these connections took the trip over 50 hours to complete.
Go ahead, try it yourself. You may find one non stop, but even then the strangeness doesn't end there, because the speed is wrong. For reference I included an optimum cruising speed guide from a commercial pilots forum that lists all the international aircraft used in these routes.
It is until you pull up the flat earth map and look at the farthest two points, which just coincidentally are anywhere in Australia, and most of South America, or my example of lower Africa, which you can see isn't West at all.
to sleep through it. And then it hits you, well the pilots would know right? They fly all day every day, certainly they would have figured it out by now.
So the fact there is no direct flights somehow proves a flat earth, but all the other evidence which proves a globe earth and cannot be explained on a flat earth are accounted for... how? Magic? God? They seem to be the only two answers FEs come up with when pushed.
DeleteThere are direct flights between Sydney/Santiago. Quantas QF27/QF28, and the times/distances agree with the fact that the earth is a globe. Mentioning that usually pushes flat earthers into full tilt denial mode.
DeleteDid try to buy a ticket, was not able to! If this flight is real, and so many people travel this every day, a non-stop flight, why not see more proof of this, as it proofs round earth? They do have a fuelstop! This supposed flight, that turned out not to exist after all, was one of several reasons I stumbled on the real truth, world isFE/ growthhouse-model! Look at stars through telescope, they do not look like sun's, it is like beeing at the cinemas, watching the movie at the cinema through a pair of binoculars!
DeleteAll this argument proves is that flat earthers flight finding abilities are about as good as their geometry.
DeleteLook properly and you'll find approximately 10 direct flights per day across the southern hemisphere (72 per week).
Tell you what: I'll do it for you, and then you can go check them for yourself (I recommend skyscanner.net)
Johannesburg and Perth
Johannesburg and Sydney
Johannesburg and Sao Paolo
Santiago and Auckland
Santiago and Sydney
Perth and Mauritius
Auckland and Buenos Aires
Some fly every day, some a few times a week. Have fun! :-)
No you won't Typer. Spouting flight paths isn't going to work because you need to do further research.
DeleteMany of the direct flights have been removed due to pressure by people finding out the truth and calling them out on it.
You cannot and never will be able to book one of those flights. Get a group of people together and attempt to book the flight and you'll get 2 different answers: Flight is either full and you can't book, or the flight is too empty and won't fly. How does that work? How can you explain, "You" being told the flight is full, while your friend who is also trying to book it is told the flight is empty? Think about it, it isn't that hard.
Go pull up a flight tracker and just watch, you'll never see a flight traverse the southern hemisphere oceans, EVER. Flight Aware? Sorry, that's NASA owned, don't come to us with NASA owned flight trackers. Go to FlightRadar24, or plane finder or the numerous others. You'll never see a plane cross those oceans, EVER.
For future reference, do not bring forward an argument without fully doing the research behind it first; makes you look absolutely stupid. You are the same type of person that would say "but but but but there are pictures of round earth, look online".
Spare me, I guarantee you've made that argument before without actually ever looking up who is responsible for the earth's pics. If you did you'd be pointed to 1 individual (Robert Simmons) linking you right to his blog on the NASA website. They don't even hide the fact there are no photographs, among all the damning evidence, here is the most damning of all, the piece that you yourself will look at and think "holy crap am I stupid, I couldn't even bother to look this up.
Here is What Robert Simmons said on the NASA webiste:
"Then we wrapped the flat map around a ball. My part was integrating the surface, clouds, and oceans to match people’s expectations of how Earth looks from space. That ball became the famous Blue Marble. "
wrapped a flat map around a ball, integrated stuff to match people's expectations.
Game over Typer, and for the rest of you globetards as well who seem to not be able to comprehend this thing called "research"
Actually I am looking right now on "flight aware" and there is a plane crossing the Atlantic eastbound maybe 300 miles north of Capetown
DeleteIt's not true what you are saying. I took screenshots but I cannot send pics here. Flight saa223 from São Paulo to Johannesburg
The flights don't exist? Not even hardcore flatards like Jeranism believe that anymore.
DeleteEven though they got the interpretation completely wrong - magnetic declination, anyone? - the video of Max Igan at least convinced some flat earthers that the "flights don't exist" angle was no longer viable.
Misinformation.
DeleteGo to Flightaware and you can see flight times,arrivals and departures of all of theses routes flying direct,on time, nonstop... going back years.
flights are real jeranism proved they're real, why don't FE'ers get some Australian mates and some Santiago bros to prove it ain't real by watching the plane depart and arrive and by videoing passengers getting on and off, making a fuel stop and still completing flight in 12 hours only further hurts FE position, there is no conceivable FE model where you can go from Sydney to Santiago in 12 hours. don't forget the cargo ships, hundreds of them that make same journey in 17 days, guess those aren't real either?
DeleteIf the Earth is spinning around the sun and through the universe. How come the ancient structures still align to the stars today?
ReplyDeleteActually, they don't (align to the stars today). The pyramids in Egypt and South America actually align with the position of the stars AT THAT TIME (not "today"). The shape of constellations is still there, but the position of these stars is not the same today and at the time when these structures were built. They are yet another proof of a round Earth and heliocentric model. Everything fits perfectly into this model, and not at all in flat earth idea.
Deletehaha. perhaps. please explain more of how YOU perfectly understand those lost civilization's intentions on astronomical alignments, and how all professional and funded historians/anthropologists/scientists do not. you're simply restating a speculation. Ju, they don't align, they emulate, there's a difference, but Nina, the fact they don't do something now, and may have happened to in the past at a time we speculate they might have meant to is not a proof of their purpose. Both of you are warping information to prove your position! that IS NOT SCIENCE!
DeleteCorrect! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteAll this can easily be explained on a flat earth/ growthhouse-model:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ8WE_VFIkw
No. It can't.
DeleteYes it can, because the earth is flat. Thermal imaging proves the world is flat "Saul" and i do recognize your name and you have been told this before.
DeleteAll you need to do is drag yourself to a military surplus store, spy store, or order a thermal attachment for your smart phone and go do the test yourself.
Thermal imaging proves the world is flat. Remember the beloved plane argument? ya that one, the one you have no answer for how a plane lands on a spinning ball..
It's game over Saul.
Your alleged thermal imaging "proof" is unrelated to the information presented here. Care to explain why the information in my article is wrong?
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DeleteThermal imaging proves the world is flat so your argument is dead in the water.
ReplyDeleteThermal imaging debunks atmospheric refraction because it cannot detect mirages. Anything were told is a mirage that we see from a distance can immediately be put to rest by pointing a thermal imaging camera at it.
Sorry folks, it's game over, your ball earth doesn't exist.
what are you talking about any electromagnetic radiation such as visible light and infrared "light" are subject to atmospheric refraction who ever told you it was not... let me guess the same guy who told you the earth was flat lol
Deletei knw you will want to check for yourself here u go http://www.haystack.mit.edu/edu/pcr/Atmospheric/spaceweather/webpagephysicsofwaves.html or find your own they will all say the same thing
DeleteInfrared mirages are well documented.
DeleteCorrect! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteHey NASA. Put these flat earthes to rest. Post a live streaming video from one of the Satellites showing the earth is round and spinning at 1.609kph.
ReplyDeleteShow us NASA.
It's already been done, and not by NASA, but by JAXA. Check out the Himawari-8 Real-time Web:
Deletehttp://himawari8.nict.go.jp
NASA does post multiple daily images of the earth from the DSCVR satellite, but not exactly in real time. You can see the images here:
http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov
Strange, there's not a single star in the photos. Where have they all gone? Saul Trane.
DeleteIt's not strange at all if you understand how exposure settings affect a photographic image.
DeleteThere are 1000s of other satelite orbitting, it should see some other satelite from one satelite.
DeleteDo what they want to show u is cgi but not a very logic eay
take pics of the sun from the same spot at nite till it's gone. check the pics and see its getting smaller. not possible if it is 93 million mi away. the distance the supposed ball earth moved isn't even a drop in the bucket......you've been duped.
ReplyDeleteNo. The sun does not get smaller as it sets. You're the one who's been duped.
Deleteyour right it just gets farther away and appears to. here is both sun rise and set.......
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_9cFTQg7NE
care to eat more crow just reply
No. The apparent size (angular size) of the sun does not change as it sets. The problem with your video "evidence" is that the sun is being filmed without a solar filter. When a digital camera photographs a bright light, the overexposure creates an artifact, a "glare" effect called "blooming". What the you are seeing in the video is not a shrinking of the sun's apparent size. What you are seeing is the sun getting dimmer as its light gets increasingly filtered by the atmosphere. As it get's dimmer, you get less blooming around it.
DeleteLook here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWK5ou1ziE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYT5nWI6_U
The moon's apparent size doesn't change either which would also happen on a flat earth.
here is another example and no need for a filter.....all explained in the middle of vid.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzw1Ug4tOo8&list=PL_3Qmsupv5R6bMRql5yW717GuniZH9ava
You have to have a filter. There's a reason why he "doesn't like" using one. It's because a filter would debunk his theory absolutely. Without a filter you cannot tell the sun's true angular size. An overexposed sun will always appear larger than its actual size.
DeleteThe sun has been observed by astronomers for 1000's of years from countries all around the world. It has NEVER been reported to grow and shrink in apparent size throughout the day. Sorry, but you've been duped.
first off you can see the size change which is really getting closer and farther away before there is glare etc. you don't need a filter period. but here is one with a filter and proves my point.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9oYb4_AAo&list=PL_3Qmsupv5R6bMRql5yW717GuniZH9ava&index=3
You're wrong again. You need a filter. The video you linked to either had an inadequate filter, or they did not know how to properly adjust the exposure. Do you see in the video how the edges of the sun are fuzzy? When the exposure is set properly and the camera is in focus, the sun will have a clean, sharp edge.
DeleteLike this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrS87lS67wA
again you don't need a filter before there is any glare etc you can see it getting bigger or smaller depending on sun rise or set. it is just getting closer or farther. I could go on all day/wk debunking you bs but you barely have any views and is not worth it. tell ya what show a whole sun set or sun rise using the filter. LOL you know who is right. Also does it look like we are moving or is the sun coming or going........
DeleteOK, so do you have an explanation for why the sun's apparent size does NOT change when a proper solar filter is used, like in the videos I posted above?
DeleteYour position is very silly. If what you're saying is true -- that the sun appears to grow and shrink throughout the day -- the heliocentric model is absolutely invalidated. There is no accounting for such observations. The sun should NOT vary in apparent size (daily) according to that paradigm. So if it's true, flat earthers should be putting ALL their effort into proving it. It would be VERY easy to prove with a decent camera equipped with a proper filter. Why do they waste so much time with weather balloons and lasers when all they need to do is get some clean photographs of the sun throughout the day?
And can you explain why the moon's apparent size never varies? Shouldn't it grow and shrink also as it rises and sets?
Here's some study material for you:
https://app.box.com/shared/static/7pp2qtvtx0obv9b86iczlnpx4n8t90yg.jpg
Good luck.
It changes in size just like say cars coming or going away on the highway. going away get smaller, coming get larger. the filter vid shows the same. here is reality deal with it.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1TUpNkHcAM
great link btw I will use it to explain to others. perfect to explain perspective with out having to watch a vid.
Ever had a flashlight shined in your face at night? If you had then you would realize the light from it looks flipping huge, until your eyes adjust and the bloom effect goes away. Looking directly at bright light makes it appear larger than the source...
DeleteSaw Plane is a government shill. He was all over the 911 Truther Ace Baker and now the Flat Earthers. You're so full of shit.
ReplyDeleteOK, so the government is paying me to post this information. But that still leaves a very big question: How does the government get the positions of the stars and sun to match perfectly with the geometry of a spherical earth?
DeleteI remember seeing you posting on other sites, as well as, some youtube videos. You've been told before and it's been proven to you that it's flat. It was so bad on your part that you've removed your own comments when people commented under yours how to prove the world is flat.
DeleteCan't have the truth exposed in plain site now can we? So what do you do? You delete your comment to hide it.
Nice try. As is evidenced by the comments here, I don't delete comments.
DeleteInstead of dishonestly attacking me, how about addressing the subject of my article? You're great at tangents and red-herrings, but don't seem to have any answer to the evidence presented here.
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteHow do the flat earthers explain Solar and Lunar Eclipses and the lighting effects on the Earth when they occur?
ReplyDeleteSun and the moon are the same size. But a better question, how can the moon provide the exact same reflection on the ocean surface as the sun when we are told the reason for the moon's light is due to the sun? We see clear images of the bogus moon landing of the moon's surface a big pile of dust, so how exactly does a giant dust ball provide an equal reflection pattern on an ocean surface as a giant ball of fire?
DeleteThink about it.. this isn't hard.
And after this Law I saw an other Law dealing with the SMALLER luminary which is called the moon.
DeleteEnoch 73:1
Earth is proven flat through thermal imaging. Thermal imaging scopes only work in a straight line and it's mainly uses for surveillance and search & rescue purposes so it needs to be deadly accurate. This is easily verifiable by anyone who picks up a thermal cam and there are available everywhere (even as attachments to smart phones). Military uses said technology over hundreds of miles.
ReplyDeleteNASA has already graciously provided us with the earth curve calculation of 8 inches per mile which compounds the further you go away. 3 miles away = a 5ft drop whereas 100 miles = a 6500 ft drop or 1.2 miles down. That means the earth can concretely be proven either flat or curved through thermal imaging. Does a thermal scope exceed the curvature and go jetting off into the atmosphere, or can it detect objects over vast distances? Well ask the military (Navy) they use it over hundreds of miles. Sorry peeps, the world is flat and there is technology to prove it for people who want to. It's so damning that it caused Neil Degrasse Tyson to abruptly kill one of this Q&A feeds when a caller brought this up with over 400,000 people listening/watching.
All people really need to do is just go google who is responsible for the pictures of earth, key word "pictures". A name comes up "Robert Simmons" and there a link to his blog directly on the NASA website, he tells people right there how the pictures are done, but again, as I'm in a good mood, I'll graciously post a damning quote
"Then we wrapped the flat map around a ball. My part was integrating the surface, clouds, and oceans to match people’s expectations of how Earth looks from space. That ball became the famous Blue Marble."
Soooo, where is the actual photograph? The guy behind all those beautiful pictures we see point blank tells us they take a FLAT MAP, wrap it around a ball and integrate all the clouds, land, and oceans to match OUR expectations of HOW earth looks from space. Really now, why not just give us a photograph...
More damning proof right in front of people's faces, go look up the Red bull jump, and look at the view from the inside the Pod vs outside the pod before he jumps.
Inside the pod you have a beautiful flat white horizon, then when outside the pod, the bright white flat horizon disappears, and we are given an image of earth that has literally no oceans on it and varying rotational speeds from dead still to considerably fast.
Think people.. this isn't that hard. If you really want the truth, it will literally take you 30 min to find it.
Why people ask does thermal imaging prove the world is flat if you can see objects from hundreds of miles away through it? It's a mirage right?
DeleteWrong, a thermal cam cannot detect mirages. Mirages aka heat hazes will show up just as that in a thermal cam, a heat haze, much like what you'd see if you pointed it at a cooking BBQ, you'd see the haze emitting off the BBQ.
The thing with thermal cams though is there so deadly accurate, they can easily see if you've wet yourself from over 100 miles away. That includes if you are standing between 2 red hot BBQ's, they will still detect your body shape, eyeballs, nostril heat, and even if your wet yourself, that pee stain can clearly be identified.
proof is proof. Can't be hidden, this is why Neil Degrasse cut his live feed, and this is also why many shills out there delete their comments when someone mentions thermal imaging proof under them. They can't have the proof sitting in plain site.
You're dead wrong. Infrared mirages are well documented.
DeleteDo you have anything to say regarding the actual topic of this article?
No timelaps-video on the Amundsen-Scott South Pole base shows 24 hours of sun, that is weird! Try contact the base, or anyone working there(they are hard to come by, as it is a secret), no one can provide such a video!
ReplyDeleteIf the world was flat, people looking south from Australia and South America would be looking in opposite directions, yet they see the same stars .
ReplyDeleteIt really is a very silly "theory".
DeleteYes they do see the same stars but not at the same time ! The same stars that are rotating around a fixed point (Polaris) polaris is visible at as much as 20° S of the Equator under certain conditions...1.5°S according to Neil-The-Ass-Tyson....which is impossible on his Chubby Around The Middle (Pear-Shaped) Oblate Spheroid Globe Hypothesis.....
DeleteSPOT ON!! EVERYTHING is Unimaginably Impossible on a spinning globe style of Earth!!! No matter how much you point out that what they THINK they know is actually just a personal belief, therefore simply put - that they have faith in their Religious Belief - the more & more that they just don't wanna let go of their beloved Ball!! A MASSIVE disorder: "Cognitive dissonance" in which almost every Oblate-Head has a chronic case of! - That is ONLY until they decide to once and for all - begin to SERIOUSLY investigate THEIR impossible theories & models, and more importantly - the actual REAL Model - the Truth - in which we ALL reside - YES - EVEN all of the Oblate-Heads ironically enough, live on a massively wide completely stationary, flat plane with a firmament which surrounds us all and keeps the air pressure at optimum levels within!! At least You & I completely understand what all occult organisations (inc. freemasons, illuminati, jesuits etc...) have within their secret archives - which is the REAL Truth, and not the "Truth" in which the worlds top scientismists all tell us about!!! (LoL!)
DeleteThe argument of parallel rays from Polaris reaching Earth is not applied on the flat earth model. But the logic, that Polaris in some distance from Earth, is used for the flat earth model so the angles should be like at the picture. Which is really not consequent.
ReplyDeleteIt's the mix of arguments of the flat earth model without consequent point about how stars, including Polaris, are positioned/projected according to the flat earth model.
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteThe problem is the distance to Polaris - the so called light years is all theory and couldn't be further from reality and the truth. Give me a break also with they think they know the size of Polaris as well. Pseudo science to say the least. The earth can be proven to be flat just observing real real photos and videos and from planes, balloons, from 30,000ft to over 120,000 shows the earth to be flat and motionless. Only in NASA CGI photos and videos do you see curvature. People are brainwashed as this post is nothing more than garbage.
ReplyDeleteYou're ignoring the undeniable fact presented in this article which is that the angles at which we observe the celestial objects match perfectly withe the geometry of a spherical earth AND would be impossible on a flat earth.
DeleteCare to explain why this is?
No No No!!! The Onus is actually upon YOU to show how the angular measurements within the geometrical shape being spherical somehow, as you say, points towards the earth being a globe & not a continuous flat & completely motionless plane!!
DeleteI would LOVE to hear your elaborate explination please....
I explained it in detail in the above article. Try reading it before commenting please.
DeleteAre Flat-Earthers Being Serious?
ReplyDeleteFlat earthers anticipating
Measuring the altitude of Polaris doesn't provide the correct determination of latitude- your statement is wrong. The measurement must be corrected for "Q" which is based upon the LHA ♈ (Local Hour Angle of Aries). Without the Q correction any latitude measurement can be very inaccurate.
ReplyDeleteThis article was not intended to be a guide for navigation. I understand that Polaris is not positioned exactly at the celestial north pole, but is off slightly by about three quarters of a degree. For precision navigation, yes, that should be corrected for, but for the purposes of this discussion it's unimportant. I'm simply introducing the fact that angular measurements of Polaris reveal the spherical shape of the earth.
DeleteThe level of water on earth is flat on surface NO MATTER WHAT, the globe earth suggests it curves all along its curvature, So Foolish idea. The earth is flat WAKE UP!! THE LORD IS AT THE DOORS FOR HIS COME!
ReplyDeleteAll Oblate-Heads can NEVER awake from their Religion! Their faith is simply to strong, but unfortunately, also too misplaced. If ONLY they would put aside all of their BIASES, their IMMENSE FAITH in their ridiculous RELIGION, and mostly, leave their EGOS at the door - then, once they delved deep within PROPER SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH into BOTH SIDES - the preposterous heliocentric/spinning ball theory - and then especially the TOO MANY TO COUNT sources of REAL PROOFS & HARD-HITTING EVIDENCES about the FLAT EARTH TRUTH - THEN and ONLY THEN - can they TRULY SAY that 99% of all so-called "facts" about the heliocentric ball-earth theory is actually all totally INDOCTRINATED PARROTING about PSEUDOSCIENCE and SCIENTISM which OPPOSES actual REAL SCIENCE in every way possible, whereas all facts about the flat earth truth have, in actual fact been carried out using nothing but the SCIENTIFIC METHOD!!! KABOOM!!!!!!!
DeleteClearly the troll known as Alex doesn't understand levels, the massive size of the earth and gravity. He has tied flat earth to his belief in god, and so there is no arguing with him. He is ignorant, willfully so and sees it as a beneficial thing.
DeleteThe level of water on earth is flat on surface NO MATTER WHAT, the globe earth suggests it curves all along its curvature, So Foolish idea. The earth is flat WAKE UP!! THE LORD IS AT THE DOORS FOR HIS COME!
ReplyDeleteI have a question.. if earth is travelling at 1600mps plus sun travelling 55mps.. once a rocket leave earth and when it want to return, how the rocket will chase the earth at this speed?
ReplyDeleteHOW??? - Easy peasy!! Just Use Heliocentric Globe Earth Trigonometry with Cosine Tangents and Cerebrovascular Geometric Cerebellum Algebraic Quinellaric Farction and then divide the entire sum by 0.
DeleteE.g:
5384930+232344x4.45[233332]x[1]3h878b4902{0}/10025abc}957273b55c44x9671a71710563x0{bdc88a}3+1=7464559+33455+455+33242343a11b22c33{1029}x9+33191+31-110328468+102-90087/0= 0
Therefore the actual calculations from the heliocentric model itself states that the actual heliocentric model does not function, therefore it is simply a fabrication!! The MATH itself proves this, therefore ANY denial from now on is simply an emotional plea of misplaced logic within a non-working theory to which any believers in the theory are simply just that! - believers in the Religion of heliocentism & the Impossible spinning ball-earth theory. They have faith in it - therefore to them - it SEEMS real - but to real science - it absolutely does not - and cannot - in any way, shape or form!!! KABOOM!!
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteNo need complicated maths..Just tell me the curvature between any 2 cities on this planet...yayaya..can't find it, even Google doesnt know ..why?? Because it doesnt exist as the Earth is flat plain..try finding out
ReplyDeleteCorrect! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteNext question
ReplyDeleteWe all know water is always level in any containers.
The earth surface have more than 70% of water, and the sea is at its level. How possible the water curve on a spining globe?
look at Mars you can see south polar ice caps and North polar ice caps guess density is holding it upside down?
DeleteEasy, water isn't always level, it's dependant on gravity. Better question water always flows, so why hasn't it flowed off the edge yet if the earth is flat.
Deletehahahah are u serious? flat earth and EDGE? u dont even know the correct flath earth model idiots.... how is that helium baloon go up no matter the gravity? where is Virgin Galactic?? Mars One? .... die sheeple
DeleteGonna ask the simplest question in existence then. The people that live at the edge of the "flat earth" because yes there are some. Why haven't they taken at least a picture or said to someone "hey! I live next door to a goddamned cliff into the abyss! Also if the earth was flat cats would have ignorantly knocked everything off the planet by now.
ReplyDeleteThe Abysmal Plains are about the change the whole game...time to bring this thread back.
ReplyDeleteA new mystery: why are FE fans suddenly excited about the long-known existence of the fairly flat and smooth muds of abyssal plains?
Delete2 Videos which prove that the sun and moon are indeed small and within our atmosphere...in other words - they are both OURS, not somewhere hundreds of thousands or even almost one hundred million miles out in the dark void of so-called "outer space"!!
ReplyDeleteThese 2 Videos will help to dispell any argument which says that the sun and the moon should appear to shrink away as they both set beyond our line of sight, past the point of convergence - IF the earth is indeed flat.
Well, these 2 videos MUST be watched from start to finish in order to fully grasp the entirety of the understanding of what is actually going on within our skies!!
All I will say as a primer to these videos is 2 words, and then you will have these as a seed planted within your subconcience in order for the videos to make that much more sense than if nothing was said beforehand...
ATMOSPHERIC LENSING"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tflhWwoqWAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJdZXlPZb8
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
Deletecant we ask bill gates to finance us so we can have proof that the earth is either flat or round. because nasa will keep up their reputation of "one small step for man, one giant lie to mankind"
ReplyDeleteI have a simple question; Why is it that every time a video has reasonably credible information that debunks a round earth, the video gets removed from the internet? Could this be a form of censorship? Ala Ray Bradbury and George Orwell? The question then is.. why? Who cares so much if this investigation is consummated? Here's another in a series.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKoeDOSQCVY&feature=youtu.be
ReplyDeleteCorrect! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteIn school we were taught that Earth orbited a stationary sun. Modern astrophysics now proposes that the sun is rotating within the Milky Way, which is rotating within the local cluster of galaxies, which is rotating within the super cluster of galaxies at ~2,000,000 mph dragging Earth along with it. That means Earth has to accelerate greater than 2,000,000 mph to get around the spiraling sun, then decelerate or get left behind. I balanced a raw egg on its sharp end for ~30 minutes before a truck came by and it fell over. Impossible if Earth is constantly accelerating and decelerating while moving in a curved path. Earth has to be stationary.
ReplyDeleteIt's an interesting point that no one can answer. I get the concept that our Sun and Polaris are parallel and that we're so far away that the Earth's rotation around the sun has nominal impact on Polaris location in the night sky, however NO ONE can explain the physics when you bring up our solar system in rotation inside our galaxy... Consider that and Polaris seemingly fixed position makes no sense.
DeleteIt makes perfect sense if you understand the distances involved. The physics are well understood. That fact that you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not explained, or that it's not true. Educate yourself.
DeleteNo, it still doesn't make sense. I have a drastically advanced understanding of physics and the mere rotation of the earth alone, without any other factors being involved, is enough to displace the location of Polaris in the sky on a regular basis. It would never be or even appear to be stationary. Make sure you've educated your own self before telling others to do so
DeleteAnother point to be made from this comment is that, given all the supposed factors involved with the earth spinning while revolving around the sun while revolving around other systems and so on, you would NEVER be able to take an exposure photograph (like the one at the top of this page) and have perfect circles. It would furthermore be especially impossible for every single star to follow the exact same pattern of perfect circles. There would be spirals, zig zags, and all kinds of crazy unique patterns from each star. Another crazy thing is that you can get the same results taking these types of exposure photos from any point on the earth every single night. Believe it or not, that photo actually is one of many proofs that the earth is flat and stationary and that the stars revolve around us
DeleteWrong. You need to take a geometry class. See how distance affects parallax.
DeleteEducate yourself.
You can say I'm wrong but it doesn't make it so. I took AP Geometry and AP Physics and what you're saying to prove the earth is a sphere sounds good and looks good on paper but it doesn't actually prove anything. The way that NASA claims we're moving and the galaxy is moving would mean that Polaris would rarely if ever be in the same position in the sky. Even just being in a different location on the earth would place Polaris in different positions. Nobody in most of South America, most of Africa, and Australia would ever even be able to see Polaris let alone use it as a guide as claimed by many ship captains that sailed from Southern Africa to South America. If they did see it then that means Polaris isn't always in the same location, but it is. Quit saying educate yourself until you have enough education to say so...
DeleteIf you think for yourself and do your own research and calculations instead of simply jumping on the Ball Earth Theory bandwagon and regurgitating the information that others claim to have figured out, you would come to the realization that not everything they teach you in school is correct. Do you understand how many things schools have taught people over the generations that later were discovered to be completely wrong? Most things. Use the scientific method, basic sense, logical reasoning, and opposing minds to draw more accurate conclusions instead of just repeating what you heard from someone. You don't have to admit you were ever wrong, just find out the truth for yourself
DeleteIf sun and Earth are moving and Polaris is stationary as modern astrophysics contends, heliocentrism makes no sense. Assumed distances are also absurd. How can something 93,000,000 miles away heat the earth?
ReplyDeleteCorrect! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteNice try.. but no. The earth is flat.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxae4cm9qR0
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteAs an amateur astronomer, I think the evidence presented your article is great! Using the same lines of reasoning, I think that measuring astronomical object positions in the southern hemisphere (at the same latitude at the same time) would clearly match the 'globe' model of the Earth, and make impossible a 'flat' model. Especially near the South Pole, the 'flat' model predicts wildly-differing angles for the same astronomical objects -- when in fact they would appear to be essentially identical! :)
ReplyDeleteSo you’re trusting that these scientists can actually calculate how far away Polaris is? You need to view the star from two completely different angles In order to know how far away it truly is. They measure how much the star shifted in position from angle 1 and angle 2 and then they could be able to calculate that. But the only angle we can see everything is from earth.
ReplyDeleteCorrect! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteI have an argument i want to bounce off ya..... Star trails... If we are at the equator.. wouldn't the star trails look like straight streaks..? let me look this up . :P
ReplyDeleteSo many arguments, have we come to a conclusion yet? How about we call it a Flatosphere and everyone will be happy:))))
ReplyDeleteHow can Polaris be in the same place and the star constellations always be on the same course if we're spinning, wobbling and flying around the sun and Milky Way and leaving the Big Bang?
ReplyDeleteAll of these things would have to be in unison with the spinning wobbling and flying of the earth. The chances of that is the same chances of a monkey typing Shakespeare on a typewriter.
See if you can find the answer. You have the internet. Ignorance is a choice.
DeleteExcellent point "Unknown the 1st"
DeleteWhat I really like about it is the part where Saul gave you the ol' "I don't know, google it" the only person who can't explain variables on their globe model, is the actual author of the article! ! ! HAHAHA
What a work of art.
just dropping another comment lol.
DeleteIf you scroll up and read Sauls comments, he clearly states that DIY internet research is flawed and to carry out our own experiments LOOOOOOOL FUCKEN TEXT BOOK WARRIOR DOESN'T KNOW FLAT EARTH WELL ENOUGH TO PRESENT A DECENT ARGUMENT ON POLARIS LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl ahhhhhh *wipes tear from eye* good times, good times
The constellations *do* change year by year as the Sun orbits the center of mass of the galaxy. Some of these changes are big enough to be observable by amateur astronomers. For example, if you get yourself a telescope capable of seeing Barnard's Start (mag 9.5) and watch it over a number of years you will see it move against the background stars. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star#/media/File:Barnard2005.gif
DeletePolaris is much further away, so it's apparent movement (called "proper motion") is much smaller, about 1 second of arc every 5 years. It will therefor take 18,000 years for Polaris to change it's position by one degree relative to the background stars (not relative to our celestial pole, the Axial precession takes 25,772 years to go through a full circle, and this is obviously much faster than 1 degree every 18,000 years, but Axial precession moves the whole sky relative to the celestial pole, so the shapes of the constellations are not affected by Axial precession, just their positions relative to the celestial pole).
Now, you could say "I don't believe Polaris moves by one degree every 18,000 years, because I have not had 18,000 years time to observe it". Which is fine, no problem (although you *should* believe nearer stars, like Barnard's Star, move because you *can* check that for yourself).
But that's not what you are doing, you are claiming that the fact that they don't move disproves standard cosmology. And that is a straw man argument! They *do* move, and they move in a way that is totally consistent with standard cosmology.
You need to spend less time thinking in terms of linear velocity and more time thinking in terms of angular velocity.
If you only think about the fact that the Sun is moving at 230Km/second in it's orbit around the Galactic center then you are missing at least half the point. If you also remember that the total time to complete one orbit is between 225 and 250 Million years then you can comprehend why we don't see constellations changing night by night or even (with the exception of really close stars) year by year. It takes us 625,000 years or more to move just one degree around the Galactic center, so you should not be surprised at the fact that the constellations have barely changed since ancient astronomers first started recording their positions.
One more point. Proper motion was first proven in 1718 by Edmund Halley who noticed that 3 stars (Sirius, Arcturus and Aldebaran) had moved about 1/2 a degree each from the positions recorded 1,850 years earlier by the ancient Greek astronomer, Hipparchus.
That's another observation you could check for yourself.
So please please stop repeating this annoying straw man!
Correct! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
Deleteahhhh so glad I clicked this link loool, presents one single point to back Round Earth, instantly gets disproven :D
ReplyDeleteYet, He's still hangin on! ahha by a thread! and that thread's unravelling!
Just another Mis-informant/moron trying to back what he thinks is clearly the winning horse, only to be thoroughly de-high horsed lolllllllll <3
Correct! Space does not exist! The GLOBE does not exist! You need a proof? Proof is YOU, if you know, how to use your brain. Watch this 11 minute movie until the end. The story lacks narrating- good change for you to think along. You will see how easily we have been fooled. https://youtu.be/F9VesA_InEk
DeleteAll you globe enthusiasts can do is point to your mathematical models and tell us all how wise you are. The model is contorted to reality. Let me explain now what is true: The Earth is not a ball in outer space. The 'globe' is predicated upon a presumption of 'Gravity' as theory of matter and some imagined bending of space-time nonsense. Gravity in this context is merely a mathematical formulation which cannot be demonstrated to hold oceans to balls in a vacuum. This is the unscientific assertion of the glober. Irrespective of what you presume the sky is doing, and by inference, presume to derive the "sphericity" of the ground, the ground is in fact empirically and obviously vast and planar. The 'globe' is entirely imagined and 'justified' within the mathematical modelling - not in scientific empiricism. 'Globe' is a quasi-religious belief taught to us by the Heliocentrists. I don't expect you to be happy about this.
ReplyDelete*facepalm*
DeleteOur measurements corroborate with observable evidence. Calm the fuck down and THINK about what you're saying - you're accusing us of 'cheating' by using math, science, and observable facts.
Imagine someone accusing you of cheating in a footrace by running fast.
I see that you're pushing 'zetetic' bullshit... Well, we don't SEE the sun expand into view in the morning, nor do we SEE the sun shrink out of view in the evening. The moon and stars also don't follow observable angular size. Also, look at the Flattard map. People in the Southernmost (though, where exactly IS 'South' on Flattardia?) can all see the same stars when facing South. How is this possible in your magical snowglobe? Additionally, how does everyone on Earth SEE the same face of the moon every night? Get a crowd of people to stand in a circle. Toss a beachball up in the air. Ask everyone which color they SEE.
I know you just skimmed through my whole comment to the end. Deep down, you know that your religious belief is full of shit. You don't WANT to be corrected. You WANT to be stupid.
Great article. Here's another article I found that also explains why the observations about Polaris' angle corresponding to latitude could not happen with a flat earth: https://flatearth.ws/polaris-angle
ReplyDeleteLots of comments on all sorts of things. But I didn't see one post that refuted this easily verifiable, personally observable, proof that the Earth is a sphere. I suspect because it is irrefutable.
NO FAIR! YOU MEAN OL' GLOBIES KEEP USING MATH, SCIENCE, AND FACTS TO CHEAT IN THE ARGUMENT! YOU NEED TO WATCH MORE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG!
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